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Another strong performance by Case Keenum keeps Teddy Bridgewater talk on hold

Case Keenum has figured out a football hack: Throw the ball to Adam Thielen every time and you will succeed.

The Minnesota Vikings’ quarterback won his seventh straight game with a 30-23 victory over the Detroit Lions at Ford Field on Sunday. As per usual, Keenum did a good job avoiding the rush and made a few exceptional throws – the most notable coming on a 22-yard touchdown pass that he dropped in the bucket to tight end Kyle Rudolph.

But Keenum mostly just looked for Thielen – a model that continues to prove itself successful week in and week out. Over the past three weeks, Thielen has 22 receptions, including eight catches for 89 yards on Thursday, using his exceptional ability to find open space and catch everything thrown his way to drive the Vikings’ offense up and down the field.

Keenum did enough in the first half to hang on to victory in the second, despite the Lions (and the referees) making things interesting down the stretch. He also did enough to quiet questions about Teddy Bridgewater – for now.

The biggest question still surrounding Keenum is whether his performance is sustainable. Is he Rich Gannon – a career backup who just needed a chance? Or is he Nick Foles – a system guy whose talent shortcomings were covered by his surrounding cast. Either way he continues to build a sample size that suggests he can keep winning.

On Thursday, he came up with a key play late that killed the late Lions comeback. With just over four minutes remaining in the game, the Vikings badly needed a first down up 27-23. On third down, Keenum backed away from the rush and flipped the ball to receiver Stefon Diggs, who got away from a tackler for a first down. Two plays later, Diggs took a screen pass 37 yards to set up a field goal to make it 30-23.

Latavius Murray and Jerick McKinnon have made for a top-10 running game this year. They took care of business on Thursday, combining for 139 yards on the ground  – marking the eighth time the Vikings have cleared 100 yards on the ground.

Against the Lions, Keenum reduced the number of high-risk plays from previous weeks. There may have only been one or two passes that he shouldn’t have made – and one of those deserved a pass interference penalty. A ball flung into coverage while Keenum was under pressure on third down with 3:42 left also could have spelled disaster had it been picked off.

Most importantly, his play was good enough to win when the Vikings’ defense wasn’t perfect. The Vikings allowed a touchdown drive late in the first half to bring the game 20-10 and a 43-yard bomb to Marvin Jones (while having 12 men on the field). The Vikings were also penalized nine times for 74 yards. That’s the second time he’s come through without requiring an elite defensive performance. In Week 10, they gave up 30 points and still won behind Keenum.

Head coach Mike Zimmer won’t be pondering a quarterback change now and probably shouldn’t even if Keenum struggles next week against Atlanta.

However, the thought has to remain in the back of his mind: Is this for real? Could Keenum really be a guy who leads an offense to 92 points in three weeks? Could his throw-to-Thielen theory work every week? Did offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur really unlucky the brilliance hiding in Keenum?

There’s still plenty of time to find out with key games on the way. For now, the Vikings get a 10 day break and Zimmer can have a week off from answering quarterback questions.

  • Cman

    Nice win boys. So tired of the officials keeping teams in the game against us. You know you have a good team when you beat the team and the stripes.

    • Bob T.

      The taunting flag on Keenum while Detroit was rolling a snowball or whatever that was. I honestly thought the flag was for that against Detroit. SMH

      • Cman

        Me too. Ansah was rolling on the ground several times after a sack. If that’s not unsportsmanlike conduct, not sure what it is.

        Diggs was molested on that deep pass with no penalty, yet every time the Lions were in 3rd and long a flag was thrown to keep their drives alive. Not sure what the Vikings did in years past to warrant getting screwed over week in and week out.

        • Bob T.

          The one on Diggs. WOW and yep.

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    • RobSkolVikes

      Agreed. Zebras suck. But at least they got the last call right, though I’m surprised they didn’t let that blocked FG for a TD stand. SKOL

      • Cman

        They couldn’t have let that go. If they did, the Vikings would have protested the game and made the league and the officials look like the crooked idiots they are. That would have been a huge blackmark on the league that I’m sure Baddell’s dumb ass doesn’t even want.

  • Andrew

    Great game despite poor officiating

  • Talltales08

    Why are we still reading about Bridgewater playing? Why are we hearing zero about a contract extension for Keenum?

    • Markus Mladek

      If you really think the Vikings should give Case Keenum a long term deal you are clueless. Keenum is playing in the most favorable situation a QB could ask for- strong running game, excellent offensive line, 2 elite WR’s, and a good TE- all while playing in an excellent system with a coordinator who could very well end up getting another shot as a HC after this year. In 1999, Jeff George had a breakout season playing in very similar circumstances- elite O-Line, WR’s, etc.- despite being a relative “bust” in his 6-7 previous seasons. In the offseason, Minnesota let him walk as a free agent and turned the keys over the younger and more talented Daunte Culpepper, and the team was even better offensively. Teddy Bridgewater in his first 2 seasons played in a situation far less favorable than Case is this year. The offensive line was atrocious, Charles Johnson and Greg Jennings/Mike Wallace were his top Receivers, and Norv Turner’s vertical based offense was a horrible fit for a team that couldn’t pass block on 3 step drops, much less the 5’s and 7’s that are the staples of Norv’s offense. And while he didn’t light up the stat sheet, it was obvious to anyone who paid attention that he was a huge part of the Vikings winning as many games as they did over the course of those 2 seasons. Want to know what Case Keenum would have looked like on those teams? Go look at the rest of his career prior to this year, and it will give you a pretty strong indication. I’m not saying the Vikings should pull the plug on Keenum this year while the team is rolling, but that doesn’t mean that you sign him to a long term deal over a younger QB with a much higher floor and a much higher ceiling. There are literally tons of examples of backup QB’s who played high quality, starting caliber football while in incredibly favorable situations, only to revert to extreme mediocrity when those circumstances change. Jeff George, AJ Feeley, Mark Bulger, Derek Anderson, Matt Cassel, Nick Foles, are just a few examples that come to mind. Franchise QB’s can be effective even in less than ideal offensive situations, backups cannot. Ride the hot hand the rest of the year if he keeps playing well, but if you favor Case Keenum as a long term solution at the quarterback position over Teddy Bridgewater you are absolutely delusional.

      • Lee Vincent Ellis I

        Correct! Enough well stated!!! Well thought out conclusions!!! I support your findings!!!

  • Gordon Guffey

    Coller said ~
    But Keenum mostly just looked for Thielen – a model that continues to prove itself successful week in and week out. Over the past three weeks, Thielen has 22 receptions, including eight catches for 89 yards on Thursday, using his exceptional ability to find open space and catch everything thrown his way to drive the Vikings’ offense up and down the field.

    Could it be that once again Diggs is not the same post injury ~ This has happened in each of his first two seasons ~ Why should year 3 be any different ~ 3 different QB’s same results ~ Not one complete season without injury and not the same post injury ~ And before anyone says anything about its because it was Bradford and Case lets not forget it happened with Teddy also ~ So put that in you pipe and smoke on it ~ Smiley Face 🙂

    Trust me there is no one who wants a fully healthy Diggs more than me ~ Maybe not even Case ~ OK that last one was a joke ~ But I really would love to see both Diggs and Thielen feeding off each other once again ~ Its what would be whats best for the Vikings ~

    Is Diggs the news Mr. Glass ~ I’m thinking YES ~ Hopefully he gets fully healthy by playoff time ~

    • Denge

      the only reason we are talking about Diggs not being the same is because Case didn’t get the long ball to him. Diggs were wide open on that pass and had he gotten that without slowing down it’s a 60+ yard TD and suddenly it’s a completely different story. Diggs was solid yesterday

      • Gordon Guffey

        If I remember right and I will have to watch the game again to make sure ~ But I believe Case was under heavy pressure on that play by Joe Berger’s man ~ I could be wrong but I dont think I am ~

        We will have to agree to disagree on Diggs playing well ~ Are should I say as well as he did before the injury ~

        Its been 3 different QB’s including Teddy and two different OC and the end result post injury is always the same ~ Its the reason why he was a 5th round pick and not a first round pick ~ He was just as talented in college and he couldn’t stay on the field then either ~ He was never the same once a injury occurred either ~ I’m sure you can still find videos about it on youtube from different draft gurus ~

  • Gordon Guffey

    As for the refs ~ It looked like the NFL was saving the regular refs for Sunday so they went out and hired high some school refs ~ And not very good ones at that ~

  • Ken Shalek

    Do you get a cash bonus if Teddy starts this year?. Why else would anyone still beat that drum?. Are you an idiot?. Help me understand!.

  • Dolores Walker

    I wonder if anyone has asked Bud Grant about how much Case Keenum reminds him of Fran Tarkenton. His “escapability” is so reminescient of years watching The Scrambler!!!

    It’s amazing how much they are alike as quarterbacks!!

  • RobSkolVikes

    Great win. Its always rewarding for us Loyal, Lifelong Fans who stick by our team through thick and thin. I keep saying that this season feels like redemption for last year (and years past). What a great Thanksgiving. I hope we keep getting better, and keep it rolling. Whatever happens, I love my Vikings, and I’m going to enjoy the ride. SKOL

  • Theguds

    Thanks for giving Zimmer the week off on deciding who will be the starter. Where’s the article on the terrible coaching/play-calling at the end of the game? Zim almost lost that game for the team. Of course you would probably spin it by saying the play calling shows Zim/Shurmur didn’t have faith Case.

    • Theguds

      But on a positive note everybody played well and the coaching was great up until they decided to sit on the lead against a QB that thrives in comeback situations.

  • William Abene Jr

    Everybody questions Case’s talents, size and ceiling but he does remind me of Tarkenton and people he is 6’2″ and athletic/slippery

  • KennyLL

    The Teddy Goggles you wear….. Where’d you get ’em?

  • Markus Mladek

    Seriously, If you guys really think the Vikings should give Case Keenum a long term deal over Teddy Bridgewater you are clueless. Keenum is playing in the most favorable situation a QB could ask for- strong running game, excellent offensive line, 2 elite WR’s, and a good TE- all while playing in an excellent system with a coordinator who could very well end up getting another shot as a HC after this year. In 1999, Jeff George had a breakout season playing in very similar circumstances- elite O-Line, WR’s, etc.- despite being a relative “bust” in his 6-7 previous seasons. In the offseason, Minnesota let him walk as a free agent and turned the keys over the younger and more talented Daunte Culpepper, and the team was even better offensively. Teddy Bridgewater in his first 2 seasons played in a situation far less favorable than Case is this year. The offensive line was atrocious, Charles Johnson and Greg Jennings/Mike Wallace were his top Receivers, and Norv Turner’s vertical based offense was a horrible fit for a team that couldn’t pass block on 3 step drops, much less the 5’s and 7’s that are the staples of Norv’s offense. And while he didn’t light up the stat sheet, it was obvious to anyone who paid attention that he was a huge part of the Vikings winning as many games as they did over the course of those 2 seasons. Want to know what Case Keenum would have looked like on those teams? Go look at the rest of his career prior to this year, and it will give you a pretty strong indication. I’m not saying the Vikings should pull the plug on Keenum this year while the team is rolling, but that doesn’t mean that you sign him to a long term deal over a younger QB with a much higher floor and a much higher ceiling. There are literally tons of examples of backup QB’s who played high quality, starting caliber football while in incredibly favorable situations, only to revert to extreme mediocrity when those circumstances change. Jeff George, AJ Feeley, Mark Bulger, Derek Anderson, Matt Cassel, Nick Foles, are just a few examples that come to mind. Franchise QB’s can be effective even in less than ideal offensive situations, backups cannot. Ride the hot hand the rest of the year if he keeps playing well, but if you favor Case Keenum as a long term solution at the quarterback position over Teddy Bridgewater you are absolutely delusional.

    • Theguds

      No sir, you just may be delusional. Your interpretation of 2015 is wrong. Here is what I typed out to someone else making a similar argument:

      “Inferior players around him? The lackluster stats of both Theilen and DIggs had nothing to do with Teddy? Mike Wallace not ever getting the ball thrown to him was all his own fault. The Oline that allowed AP to lead the NFL in rushing that year. And we’re all aware of APs accolades.

      Yet behind the worst NFL Oline in history, and yes even worse than the 2015 Oline. .bradford throws for 3900 yrds and theilen and diggs get 900+ and he gets sacked fewer times than Teddy did in 2015. Based on 2015 numbers Teddy would have gotten destroyed in 2016. Oh and we had no running game that in 2016.”

      I would also add Teddy was inaccurate on anything beyond ten yards. Case is much more of a threat down field.

      That said I’m a Bradford guy and Teddy can’t even hold a candle to SB.

      • Markus Mladek

        Really? I’m delusional? First of all, Diggs was a ROOKIE and Thielen was a seldom used special teamer.(weird though, they both had pretty damn good numbers on the road against the eventual champion super bowl broncos with Teddy at QB) Wallace was a deep threat only, and how the hell are you going to be an effective deep passing team when your line can’t block? Fact, he was pressured on the highest percentage of snaps of ANY qb in his 2 years as the starter. Apparently you aren’t able to comprehend that Pass Blocking ability and Run Blocking ability are two very different attributes. Even still, Adrian made that offensive line way better than it was because he’s a once in a generation talent, and even he couldn’t run the ball for the last 6 weeks of the season with that line. Did we have a run game when Bridgewater outplayed Russell Wilson in the playoffs? Nope. And you also must have forgotten that Norv resigned midseason because we couldn’t block well enough to run his scheme and Shurmur came in and changed the system to focus on short passes. Sam is a more talented thrower of the football, but that doesn’t make him a better quarterback. His pocket presence is horrendous, and his passer rating in the last 2 minutes of single digit games (aka in the clutch) is mediocre throughout his career (weird, Teddy was the highest rated passer in 2015 in that category). You say Teddy would have gotten destroyed last year? A quarterback with the ability to make plays with his legs and evade the rush would have done WORSE than a quarterback who couldn’t avoid a rusher if his life depended on it? The offensive line in 2016 was worse than in 2015, but only by a narrow margin in terms of pass protection. Statistically, Teddy was pressured on a higher percentage than Bradford was, but Norv’s playcalling played a role in that as well. Oh and btw, Teddy Bridgewater was the most accurate QB in the NFL in terms of completion percentage on passes between 10-19 yards in 2015, but go ahead and keep throwing out bullshit fabrications to suite your horrendously flawed argument. He was inconsistent on the deep ball, but had noticeably improved in that area before he was injured. (and even now he is still only 24 years old). You talk about how great Bradford was, yet in the most important game of the season, @Detroit on thanksgiving, he threw the ball directly to Darius Slay when he (amazingly) had great protection and all day to throw. He went 7-8 as the starter overall, and averaged less yards per attempt than Bridgewater in either of his 2 seasons, who again, was dealing with massive pass protection issues of his own. You can live in fantasyland and trick yourself into thinking a guy is a franchise quarterback because he makes some incredible throws from time to time, but you’d be about as ignorant as the next GM that wastes millions of dollars on an extremely fragile, unreliable, and immobile QB like Sam. Or wastes Millions of dollars on a QB who regularly puts up good numbers, but perennially chokes in big games (kirk cousins). Or wastes millions of dollars on a Journeyman who played out of his mind for a season after years worth of tape suggesting they aren’t franchise qb material (ex:Josh McCown in his last year with the bears played the best football of his career, got a big contract from the Bucs and immediately reverted to being mediocre again). Do I like Teddy Bridgewater as a person and want him to succeed? yes. But I’ve been a diehard fan of this team since I was 6 years old (Gary Anderson missing the kick is one of my most vivid childhood memories), I want nothing more than for this team to FINALLY have the position solidified, so if I truly deep down believed Teddy wasn’t the best option for us going forward then I’d be openly advocating against moving forward with him. But the advanced stats and more importantly, the eye-test (if one has the ability to comprehend what’s actually going on in the game) show that he is the smartest investment for the future.

      • Markus Mladek

        I responded to this yesterday in a long post that either got pulled or didn’t upload correctly, so I’ll give you a brief bullet point summary:
        -Diggs was a rookie, thielen a primary special teamer (though both had great games against the eventual champion broncos with Teddy at qb)
        -Wallace was a deep threat and deep threat only, and the Vikings horrendous pass protection limited their ability to throw the “go routes” deep downfield.
        -Run blocking and Pass blocking are not the same thing, the 2015 offensive line allowed bridgewater to be pressured on roughly 50 percent of his dropbacks, by far the highest in the NFL that season.
        -Teddy is mobile and can evade the rush, so the idea that he would have gotten “destroyed” worse than Bradford is lunacy
        -Teddy lead the NFL in completion percentage on intermediate throws between 10-19 yards, but go ahead and keep throwing out false information and presenting it as facts.
        -Bradford was sacked less than Teddy because the Vikings SWITCHED COORDINATORS. How dense can you be? Norv was asking TB to take 5 and 7 step drops behind a line that couldn’t block, Shurmur had Bradford work the quick and short game almost exclusively in an attempt to remedy the dreadful pass protection.
        -Teddy in his 2 years starting was the highest rated passer in the last 2 minutes of single digit games (clutch situations). Yet Bradford’s career numbers are mediocre in this area, and we got a great chance to see that last year as he tossed our division hopes right to Darius Slay on thanksgiving, on a play in which he had excellent protection. Franchise QB’s who excel play well in crunch time, that’s what seperates them from “numbers guys” like Kirk Cousins, Bradford, etc.

        • Theguds

          Yes and I responded as well with what I felt was a more than adequate response. I believe they pulled it.

          I’m sorry, a lot of what you argue boggles my mind. I watched every game in 2015 as I suspect you did as ell. Do I remember in detail what transpired that year? Of course I don’t. But I what I do remember is not being at all impressed with Teddy.

          What you say is me not comprehending the difference between run and pass protection, I say is you not seeing the fact that Teddy held on to the ball too long because he was unable to to make the quick read. And no I’m not attributing every sack to that. Everything that we see Case doing this year in and outside the pocket is what Teddy was unable to do during his tenure and a lot of what Case is doing is apart from the performance of his O-line

          Furthermore, me bringing up the fact that we had the the leading rusher and a good running game was not me saying that meant our line was equally adept at pass protection. A running game with the purported remarkable skills of Teddy Bridgewater as you describe, should have opened up the passing game more. But on many occasions it did not because TB was nothing but a dinker and dunker. Thus, the defense didn’t have to worry about TB going over the top or throwing a mid-range ball.

          You give me the Denver game and I’ll give you Seahawks game(regular season). For every good game you give me, I’ll give you three games of mediocrity.

          You want to talk about TB’s one clutch moment… Clutch is Russel Wilson turning a 20 yard loss on the 50 into first and goal on our five yard-line. That’s clutch. What TB did getting us into field goal range is what Aaron Rodgers does at will.

          The crux of your argument revolves around on the “atrocious” O-line in 2015. TB’s not the only QB in NFL history to have deal with a bad O-line. You’re absolutely right to go to numbers but what you’re missing is that it’s how you look at those numbers.

          You emphasize sack percentages, knockdowns and how many times he was hurried. What I can tell you is there is a limit to all of those statistics, which means there is a limit to just how “atrocious” the O-line was in 2015. If we sum all of those percentages according to you TB was able execute a pass 50% of the time. But really it doesn’t matter if it was 20% of time. We know the result was 201 passing yards/game and whatever other stats he accumulated that year. My conclusions of Teddy are based on that 50% number you quoted.

          So lets hypothetically insert the “choker” in to that “atrocious” 2015 O-line. You’re going tell me a guy that makes big time throws like 15 yard outs and ins, seams and go routs on a regular basis and has had numerous 300+ yard games, would have only put up 201 yards passing/ game? Or, in other words you’re going tell me Kirks 50% is going to be similar or less than TB’s 50%? To me that’s lunacy. Guys like Stafford Cousins, and Bradford make big time throws on a regular basis and actually convert 3 down 15 from time to time with no run yards after the catch.

          What’s more, we can be certain the playbook that Teddy had at his disposal would have absolutely been expanded to match the abilities of Cousins had he been at the helm that year.

          Cousins didn’t just develop his ability to make big time throws in the NFL. He always had it. He made the same big time throws back at Michigan State.

          We’re never going to agree on TB and time will tell who wins this argument. If we were to let Teddy go and he becomes as good as Alex Smith….I say oh well… My prediction is doesn’t even reach Andy Dalton status.

          Thanks and I admit your argument is probably the best I’ve heard thus far, our eyes just disagree.

        • Theguds

          Yes and I responded to your original post and now this one and they pulled it. Both were respectful. Your eyes and mine disagree.

          I was not saying that run blocking equates to good pass protection. But a good running game opens up the passing game, which did not occur most of the time for Teddy because he was essentially a dink and dunk passer.

          My conclusions about Teddy are based on the 50% of time Teddy was not under pressure. It wasn’t all that impressive.

          You give me Denver. I’ll give you the regular season Seahawk game. You give me one good game. I’ll give you three games of mediocrity.

          Clutch is Russel Wilson turning a 20 yard loss on the 50 into first and goal on our 5. Teddy getting us in to field goal range is what Arodg does at will.

          • Markus Mladek

            He was a “dink and dunk” passer because we couldn’t block. Sam was a “dink and dunk” passer last year, yet Bridgewater still averaged more yards per pass. It doesn’t matter if the running game opens up the passing game if you can’t block long enough to let play action plays develop man. The Seattle Game we were completely humiliated up front, and once they got a big lead they pinned their ears back and manhandled our offensive line. The only 2 games I would categorize as truly mediocre due to his own play from his 2015 year are the opener @SF and @GB. He wasn’t great @KC, but made an incredible play on 3rd and 15 where he evaded the rush and found Jarius for a 20 yard gain to essentially ice the game (clutch). I can show you GIF’s of the Vikings running max protection and still getting beat up front with a 4 man rush. If you run max protection, you are running 2-3 routes on the play, so not a lot of options if you get crushed up front. And the Russell Wilson play was a combination of Munnerlyn not picking up the ball and Josh Robinson (who was in for 1 series) getting roasted because he stopped covering. Wilson Picked on Robinson that 1 drive and got almost all of his yards on that drive (including the touchdown, which again, was allowed by Robinson).

          • Theguds

            So hypothetically we insert Kirk Cousins into that 2015 offense, your predication is that he produces the same results? Playbook stays the same? Choker produces 201 yards/ per game? He doesn’t make quicker and better decisions making the O-line look better? Better yet we put Bradford in that scenario having one year under his belt under Norv’s system and the whole off season to prepare for 2015 and let me guess your prediction is he to produces the same results as Teddy?

            I don’t care what players didn’t do their job on that play, what Russel did was amazing and he’s done time and time again because he actually is a big time clutch QB. Players not doing their job on amazing plays probably can be said about a good number of the greatest plays NFL history. And that throw he made and the fashion he did it in, is something I never saw Teddy do to my recollection.

          • Theguds

            I’m never going to change your mind and you will never change my mind. What is for certain is Teddy’s future is going to play out and my prediction is he ends up a good back-up in this league and there is nothing wrong with that. Second most important job on the team and a very remarkable accomplishment in itself. The great majority of QBs never get to Division II let alone Div I and teddy started at QB for top 10 D one team and nobody can take that away from him. He’s just not a franchise QB in my opinion and he never will be.

          • Theguds

            Furthermore, had Teddy made that play Russel made, I’m pretty sure your praise for Teddy on that very play would unending and you would using it to solidify your argument that TB is in fact a clutch QB.

        • Theguds

          The only thing dense is your interpretation of Teddy’s QB play during 2015. And this stat as you present as being fact, this stat doesn’t include attempts where yards were gained after the catch? i.e Teddy threw the ball 8 yards and diggs ran it 10 yards. Pray tell where you found this stat? Idk maybe you did… But I’d like to know where you found it.

          Let’s say it is a fact, that means Teddy had the highest completion percentage in the league anywhere from 10-19 yards, and yet he only averaged 201 yards/game. Out of how many attempts? BIg time mid-range throws is exactly what my problem was with Teddy….you know stepping back and rifling a 15 yard out or dig to convert 3 and 15. Did he even do that once? And the range I would be talking about anyways would be 15-25 in the air and on a rope. Above average QBs like Stafford and Cousins make these throws on a regular basis and convert 3 and 15 from time to time. But yes I now the O-line…teddy never had an opportunity to showcase those big time throws.

          • Markus Mladek

            No, they were passes that traveled in the air between 10-19 yards. its in a football outsider article breaking down how teddy was much better than his stats (it came out around training camp last year). End of the Chiefs game, 3rd and 15, single possession game, Bridgewater evades heavy pressure and completes a deep-in route to Stefon Diggs to essentially ice the game. His rookie year, deep corners to jennings against the bucs and dolphins. I could go on, or you could just watch his game against the chargers in the preseason last year, where he literally runs a 2 minute drill and hits at 19 yard dig to Johnson, a 20 yard out/corner to diggs, and a seam route TD to rudolph all in a succession. His arm strength was notably improved, as was his touch on the deep ball. even after missing a year he just turned 25 this month. (hes 1 month older than carson wentz) im not gonna waste my time arguing with someone who doesnt make an effort to objectively analyze his play, you’re just making broad statements that are mostly incorrect and ignoring statistical and visual evidence that Bridgewater played very solid football, and was showing potential to really breakout at the time of the injury. And Shurmur’s scheme would be an excellent fit for Teddy (if shurmur isnt a head coach next year). But if you want Bradford or Keenum long term then thats your opinion and we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

          • Theguds

            You set the bar pretty low. We’ll see… time will tell. Bradford or Keenum long-term?:)) I want GOATer material long-term. That’s hard to find. But you can’t find him if you aren’t looking which is what GMs do when they sign Teddy Bridgewaters to long-term deals. Thus we get in to what seems this endless cycle of mediocre QB play that never gets us out of the second round of the playoffs.

          • Theguds

            Yes and I can see your next excuse for Teddy when Shurmur leaves next year.

    • Theguds

      I’ll give you this he’s better than Ponder.

    • Theguds

      So yeah the idea is that by having the leading rushing offense alongside the purported remarkable abilities of Teddy Bridgewater is its supposed to open up the passing game by forcing the defense to respect the run. TB in 2015 was essentially a dink and dunk passer so the effect of the running game on the passing game was reduced as the defense didn’t really have to worry about Teddy as a being real passing threat over the top or even mid-range. And vice-versa. Which makes what AP did even more remarkable.

      You give me the Denver game and I’ll give you the regular season Seahawks game where we were routed. I don’t recall what TB’s stats were that game but I’m sure they weren’t very good. But I’ll bet you have an excuse for him. In fact, for every one good game you give me I can probably give you three games of mediocrity.

      You say I can’t comprehend between pass protection an run protection and I’ll say you’re missing the fact that Teddy held onto the ball too long because he couldn’t make a quick enough read.

      But the crux of your argument is the “atrocious” O-line of 2015 and there is where you lay all of the blame for Teddy’s mediocrity.

      You’ll give me his high sack percentage and his hurried percentage and his knockdown percentage whatever they may be. Numbers are a great thing and you are absolutely right to go there but what’s important is how you look at those numbers. And as high those numbers are, there is a limit as to how high they are, and thus there is a limit as to how “atrocious” the 2015 O-line really was. So let’s say summing all those aforementioned categories equals 35%. So that means that 65% of time TB was well enough protected to execute a pass. Now, that number could 65%, it could be 45% or 20% it doesn’t matter, what we know is that Teddy averaged 201 yards/game and whatever else stats he accumulated that year.

      Now given that information we can insert the “choker” Kirk Cousins behind that “atrocious” 2015 O-line. Hypothetically speaking of course. Now you’re going to argue a guy that actually has a history of making big-time throws like 15 yard outs and ins and deep seems and go routes continually throughout his career; and has had numerous 300+ yard games(5 this year, the rest around 240,one below 200), that he too would have only averaged 201 yards/game of pass offense behind that “atrocious” 2015 O-line? Or in other words Cousins’ 65% of being well protected is going to be similar or worse to TB’s 65% of being well protected?

      Kirk Cousins didn’t just develop into that kind of QB while he was in the NFL. He always had it. He’s been making big time throws ever since his college days at Michigan State and he’s done it regularly. When has TB EVER shown that he can make those kind of big time throws on regular basis. I don’t recall him hardly ever zipping a ball 15 to 20 yards on a rope to convert a 3 and 15.

      Had Kirk Cousins been at the helm that year we probably would not even had recognized Norv’s game plan for 2015 with what he had planned for TB because Kirk is a big gun.

      I think based on what I saw out TB in 2015 his effectiveness will never be anymore than Andy Dalton and I don’t think he’ll reach that feat. So I would absolutely let him go.

      You want to talk about TB’s one career clutch play in that playoff game? How about Russel Wilson turning a 20 yard loss from the 50 into first and goal from the five. THAT”S EFFING CLUTCH!!! TB getting us in to field goal range is what ARODG DOES AT WILL!!!

      I don’t know what the hell you saw in TB in 2015 but sure isn’t what I saw. You and many other fans set the bar way too low and I don’t know how you like to watch such boring football.

      WIth that being said I hope he proves me wrong if he gets another chance. I could CARE LESS if you win this argument in the long-run, but I would bet it all that he won’t.

    • Talltales08

      You did a nice job of cut and paste. Do you have any thoughts of your own?

      • Markus Mladek

        what are you talking about? I literally took like 45 minutes of my own time yesterday to try and correct some of the flagrant misconceptions concerning the Vikings quarterback situation. Now you’re gonna accuse me of plagiarizing my post?

        • Talltales08

          You took 45 minutes out of your life and that’s the best you could do?

          Here’s my case to sign Keenum. First, the Vikings have 4 QB’s under contract that I know of. One is an unknown rookie. Bradford has a history of injury problems and is now on IR. Bridgewater had a knee injury so bad that he could have lost his leg. All 3 will be free agents after the season. Of the 3, which one has been under center for us the most and lead us to a winning record? My money’s on the guy with the hot hand, Keenum. You mentioned on your long winded rant that I said “sign him to a LONG term deal”, you may want to re-read that.

          Now, only an idiot would argue these facts, so I’m eagerly awaiting your reply.

          • Markus Mladek

            You would sign a guy with a career passer rating of 76 prior to this season to a long term deal, and yet you’re trying to imply i’m an idiot? It’s called a “hot hand” for a reason moron, when it cools off you’re left with the type of mediocre stopgap that always seems to find a way to occupy the QB position for us. If the doctors say Bridgewater is healthy, (which they do), then he’s the quarterback i’m signing. Doesn’t have to be a long term mega contract, given his injury he won’t require that anyways. Your suggestion that the Vikings should pay 15-20 million a year for a journeyman backup is mind numbingly ignorant.

          • Talltales08

            First, I have yet to utter the phrase, “Long term contract.”, say you have stated twice now.

            Second, I DID say that only an idiot would argue the facts that I stated.

            Third, your now arguing the facts so draw your own conclusions regarding your mental capacity.

            Th paraphrase the immortal words of Darth Vader, “This was all to easy.”





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