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Could the Vikings franchise tag and trade Case Keenum?

Imagine a world where NFL analysts debated whether the New England Patriots should keep Matt Cassel and trade Tom Brady.

It happened.

Following a 10-5 season with 21 touchdowns, 11 interceptions and an 89.4 rating filling in for Brady, there was a case to turn the Patriots’ franchise over to Cassel.

Instead Bill Belichick chose to stick with Brady and deal Cassel to the Kansas City Chiefs.

One thing happened first: The Patriots franchise tagged Cassel, who was set to hit the free agent market. Then the Chiefs sent the 34th overall pick and linebacker Mike Vrabel to the Pats.

The Minnesota Vikings could follow the same path with Case Keenum.

Filling in for Sam Bradford, Keenum went 12-3 with 22 touchdowns, seven interceptions and a 98.3 rating.

Especially if Washington franchise tags Kirk Cousins with the intention to deal him – which ESPN’s Adam Schefter reported as a possibility – Keenum could present an option at a lower asking price for quarterback-desperate teams.

Last week, Bleacher Report draft writer Matt Miller noted that the Denver Broncos “like” Keenum. The Arizona Cardinals do not have a starting QB. The Jacksonville Jaguars, Buffalo Bills and Miami Dolphins also might end up  looking for a quarterback as well.

The Vikings would have to sacrifice a 2019 compensatory pick that would come along with Keenum, but the highest compensation Minnesota could receiving for Keenum leaving in free agency is a third-round pick.

If they received better than a third-round pick, dealing Keenum would be a worthwhile venture as long as the Vikings are confident in whatever other option they have at quarterback, whether that be Teddy Bridgewater, Cousins or someone else.

Keeping Keenum on the franchise tag would make sense even if the Vikings would prefer Bridgewater simply due to the questions about Bridgewater’s surgically-repaired knee. But the Vikings may be able to find a No. 2 like Josh McCown who could lead the team in similar fashion to Keenum in case Bridgewater went down or wasn’t back to 2015 form.

What could the potential return be for Keenum? Washington dealt a third-round pick and a very good cornerback for Alex Smith. The Patriots got a second-round pick for Jimmy Garoppolo. The price for Keenum would likely be similar.

The Vikings could tag Keenum and then wait to see how training camp plays out much like the Philadelphia Eagles did with Sam Bradford in 2016. It would be an option to hold a quarterback competition between Bridgewater and Keenum and wait to see if another team’s quarterback gets hurt in training camp or preseason before moving the loser of the competition.

The Vikings will have to make a decision on tagging Keenum by the deadline March 6.

  • GriffRobMike

    I actually don’t hate this idea with the number of teams who need a QB and would like a short term option over paying long term money to Keenum. However i think the tough sell would be to Teddy (since he said he wants to start next year). “Hey Teddy um we’re going to tag Case but we’re going to try and trade him… so you should still sign with us and trust us we’ll trade him.”
    The worst case scenario for Vikings is actually solid where we have Case and Teddy battle it out for the starting gig. I still have a hard time seeing Teddy return at all if Case is tagged. This doesn’t seem like something Rick would do though

    • RobSkolVikes

      I actually DO hate this idea. First off, Keenum will sign that tag lickety-split, and we will not be able to dump him on anyone else, while instantly deducting around 21 million dollars of our cap space as well as handcuffing us to Keenum for the duration of the 2018 season. No one is going to pay him that much, let alone trade valuable assets for him. I would be absolutely shocked if something like this actually happened. We are more likely to transition tag Keenum if anything. I don’t have any good answers or solutions, I just know we can’t screw this up. I’m hoping we can Toll Teddy, as that will give us some leverage, and at least one cheap option. If we can toll Teddy, then we can consider trying to extend Keenum (but I think he will cost too much), or draft one of the young prospects coming out in April. I like Lamar Jackson and Baker Mayfield in a perfect world.

      • Llaarryy

        I’m not quite as against the idea as you are. I actually think it’s likely that someone would take a one year shot on him at >$20M.

        But I also see huge downside that people seem to ignore.

        What if Case signs for tag money, then proceeds to stink it up? All of a sudden that 2nd Rd pick turns into pure salary cap fat.

        Unless Flip TRULY BELEIVES in Case, the smarter play would be to take the 3rd Rd comp pick and run.

    • Tbone

      Spielman is only smarter than the Cleveland Browns by half a brain cell.

  • Brant

    Keenum seems to have the highest upside of all the candidates. Outside of the Philedelphia game, the guy put up MVP numbers. Keenum is definitely not a backup QB as many have worn out that narrative, and he isn’t the product of a first class WR corps as many claim; Diggs and Thielen are both very good, but let’s not get it twisted… other teams with “established” QBs didn’t have the output Keenum did (and that is even without Keenum having a preseason): D. Carr, M. Ryan, J. Winston, R. Wilson, P. Rivers… All these “top 10” QBs had arguably better WR corps – yet Keenum and yes, a great defense (until the Philly game) came out on top. The Vikings would be inept to trade Keenum and opt for someone that hasn’t played in two years, and wasn’t a top 15 QB when he was healty. Cold hard facts, but that’s the NFL.

    • Corn Bread

      Here’s a cold hard fact you’ve over looked.
      When we needed Keenum, he couldn’t rise to the level of NICK FOLES! Keenum is a perennial backup who cannot hit down field passes.

      • Dylan Tyler

        Neither can Teddy. Bradford can’t make it more than a season without a major injury. So, unless they can get Cousins, they have to get Keenum. For better or worse. Teddy is awful. Love the guy, but he’s less of a starting caliber QB than Keenum. Ponder 2.0

        • cka2nd

          “Bradford can’t make it more than a season without a major injury.”

          His 2015 and 2016 seasons notwithstanding. Everything else you said is equally silly.

      • Brant

        Niether could the g.o.a.t. #Fact

        • Corn Bread

          Actually he did, it was Pats defense that lost the game

          • TBIloveyou2018

            And I agree 100% on that one.

      • Drediock

        Heres is a cold hard fact you overlook. that NFC championship game. You could have taken Brady, Rodgers,and Montana, And rolld them all up into one super QB and the Vikings would STILL have lost that game. the QB play was among the least of the problems in that game

        Another card hold fact. WHEN they did need need him and the game was actually close enough to be won. Keenum did rise to the level he was needed and led scoring drives to go ahead in the game not once. But TWICE in the final two minutes of the NO playoff game

      • Drediock

        Of all the complaining I see here of people claiming how Case performed poorly in the title game I haven’t seen a single professional analyst that agrees that they lost because Keenum didnt perform.
        Not one.

        • Corn Bread

          And you have the nerve to call Coller a “shill”
          Lol
          Get over your man crush on Keenum already

          • Drediock

            Im not being a shill. Im being factual. Did he play perfect.? No Few QBs do./ Even if he had it wouldnt have mattered because the rest of the team fell totally and completely apart.
            Show me all the professional football analysts that think the game was the fault of Keenum
            The only one you can point to are the ints. and one of them he was hit as he threw which is what led to 7 points. Case let them score the other 31 points?? Was Case suppossed to go out there and remind Smith, Griffen,. Rhodes and the rest how to properly tackle like they were taught since the lowest levels of pop Warner league? Because I saw FAR FAR more poor play out of that defense for the last 6 quarters of the playoffs then I did out of Case all season long including the playoffs. Why didnt the Defense rise to the occasion? Isnt that suppossed to be the identity of the team?

            I call Colller a shill because he is one. The moment he stops being one is when I’ll stop calling him one
            Besides. Im not the one paid to be a reporter. To have journalistic integrity

            I dont mind fair criticism If its in proportion to what went wrong. You are completely off your rocker if you think that game was lost cause Case couldnt get it up.
            And NICK FOLES played so well because the rest of his team played so well and in many ways many of those players overachieved.
            Nick Foles actually had a line that blocked. Had receivers the executed the game plan and got open down field. And Nick Foles went up against a Defense that completely forgot how to play defense. Keenum had none of that. when you dont get time to throw when you cant trust the people that are supposed to block for you .Yea. You are going miss people down the field
            Last time I checked it didnt say “Demigod” on his jersey.

            Before you get too critical of Keenum. Rewatch the entire game several times. Break down each play. Watch it in slo mo and look at the other players around him.
            Then come back and talk about how poorly he played. Was he perfect? No. Be him not “Rising” had nothing to do with that loss

      • TBIloveyou2018

        And YOU UNDERESTIMATE NICK FOLES!

    • Rod Morgan

      upside????? seriously? Keenum had good stats last season… lots and lots of poor QB’s have put up great stats before (Hoyer, Fitzpatrick, McCown just to name a few) he had a career season under perfect circumstances.. yet the Vikings had to run a more and more conservative offense as the season went on to hide his weaknesses because defenses adjusted coverage. Keenum is not accurate (his WR’s bailed him out time after time), his ball placement is abysmal, his arm is very very weak..can not throw the out, can not throw downfield, he does not manipulate coverage or read defenses well. Keenum is a very gutty player, he is mobile and feels pressure in the pocket very well. He is able to create time, has a fairly quick release and throws on the run well. We were all treated to the best possible Case Keenum last season… the tools for improvement just are not there and he wasn’t really very good the last 5-6 games as it was. Keenum is not the answer..he is easily the worst of the three QB’s we have as free agents. I honestly don’t understand what people are watching who think Keenum is a good starting NFL QB.

      • Dylan Tyler

        Keenum actually had the second best passer rating on “tight window throws”. Not sure where your stats are coming from. Teddy was dead last on throws down the field in 2015, which was his best year. He also threw 14 TD’s to 9 picks with the league’s leading rusher. Teddy is done, dude. He’s not a starting QB. Teddy was the worst QB on the roster last season. By far

        • Thelogicalfan

          lol yeah because Diggs and Thielen were both top 5 in getting “contested catches”. Its called product of receivers not product of his throws. Nearly 50% of his throws were put into contested zones because of his limitations. Stop cherry picking stats to make yourself feel better about Keenum. He did well but he won’t be some MVP caliber QB And won’t take us the distance

      • badzeitgeist

        I’m not convinced you have the cause and effect in the right order. Did the offense *have* to get more conservative the last 5 games because of Keenum’s weaknesses, or did increasingly conservative playcalling as the home Super Bowl started looking real make Keenum look worse?

      • Brant

        They must be watching the Vikings win. Something Vikings fans were desperately craving. Trade Keenum at your own peril – maybe Bridgewater and his new bionic leg is the savior you’re looking for.

        • cka2nd

          “We can re-build him.”

      • TBIloveyou2018

        You are absolutely are unbelievably ignorant if you can come to all those conclusions on CK’s play and then not draw the same conclusions for Teddy.

        “I honestly don’t understand what people are watching who think Keenum is a good starting NFL QB.” The same goes to you with regard to 2015. Uneffing believable!!

        • torsten

          Bring in Nick Foles and let run the same plays as he did against the Vikings and Patriots.

          • TBIloveyou2018

            I’d love to see Foles come here and that’s good idea. I’d be happy with Bradford, Cousins, or Foles. I think we need a guy that has the potential to be in the top 10 top 5 year in and year out.

          • TBIloveyou2018

            Torsten? Did you play college ball as a Linebacker/D-line?

      • TBIloveyou2018

        Oh and another thing if your boy TB was playing in 2016 with the worst O-line in NFL history(PFF), AND NO RUNNING GAME his career as viking would have ended that year because we probably would have only won 3 to 5 games with TB at the helm.

        • cka2nd

          Please provide a citation for your PFF claim, if you can, because I remember PFF noting at the time, 2016, that the 2015 o-line was actually worse in some respects. I no longer have access to PFF’s stats, but the sack percentages listed for 2014-2016 at pro-football-reference.com/ are as follows:

          2014: 9.0% for Bridgewater, Cassel and Ponder combined
          2015: 9.0% for Bridgewater and Shaun Hill
          2016: 6.1% for Bradford, Hill and McKinnon

          The average yards per rush for the three OL’s was:

          2014: 4.4 y/a, with Asiata, McKinnon and Bridgewater the top three rushers, but padded by some runs by Patterson, Wright and Andrew Sendjo, of all people.

          2015: 4.7 y/a with Peterson, McKinnon and Bridgewater your top three, with some help from Thielen and Wright.

          2016: 3.2 y/a, with McKinnon, Asiata and Peterson the top three, and little help from anyone else, even Patterson.

          Using these admittedly simple measures – and setting aside issues of offensive coordinators and systems, an experienced QB in the pocket vs. a rookie/sophomore, and the presence of a HoF rusher for one full season – I’d guess that the 2014 and 2015 lines were better at run blocking than the 2016 line, and that the 2016 line was marginally better than the 2014 and 2015 lines in pass blocking (and some analysts wanted to re-sign Matt Kalil).

          • TBIloveyou2018

            PFF is the citation.

            I saw their break-down on the 2015 line, it gave colors to all the positions one side was Green meaning really good and the other side had red and orange signifying bad, and really bad.

            Sack % is only one factor they use, the other two are hurries and knockdowns. Which would render your conclusion off with respect to pass-blocking. That 6.1% is combination of Bradford getting rid of the ball quickly and a system that helped him facilitate those quick deliveries.

            I believe a second year Cousins, Bradford or Stafford with the presence of AP in the backfield would have been more effective than TB throwing the ball. Because you can tell they pure passers and its really easy to see when you watch them. People rail Norv… a) for all you Ted heads, Norv is the one that gave Spielman the green light to draft TB. b) The run, run, pass play calling was because AP could run the ball better than TB could throw the ball.

          • cka2nd

            I admitted my comparison was crude, but the difference between 9% and 6.1% is still significant, even taking into account all of the other forms of pressure brought to bear on QB’s.

            After comparing Bridgewater’s Year Two stats to Bradford’s (10 games, with an effective Steven Jackson running the ball) and, to get a large enough sample, the second and third year stats of Cousins (Alfred Morris gaining 1,000+ yards both years) and Stafford (no appreciable running game, as per usual for his career), the only guy who beat out Teddy was Stafford. Cousins was still throwing way too many interceptions and didn’t really break through until his fourth season. Bradford suffered a sophomore slump and didn’t catch up to Teddy’s first two years until his third. Stafford missed most of his second season but was already showing vast improvement from Year One, and would take off like a rocket in his third season before crashing back to Earth in Year Four. No one questions Bradford’s and Stafford’s pure arm talent – I’ll take your word on Cousins, backed up by his phenomenal career 7.7 average yards per pass – but there’s more to quality quarterbacking than being a pure passer, and Teddy was already displaying those qualities in his first and second years.

            Where I can agree with you is on the excessive Norv bashing, although the biggest Turner basher here is Gordon Guffey, who is quite critical of the “Ted heads,” himself. I’ve argued in detail on an earlier post that Norv’s emphasis on Peterson made complete sense given what he was working with, but I disagree with you about the run, run, pass play calling. I’ve seen offensive coordinators get stuck in running the same patterns of plays over and over again for 40 years, and it is not a good sign for any coordinator. Bridgewater was eminently capable of running screen plays, had a healthy Rudolph back in 2015, a consistent Jarius Wright and, if you combined Wallace’s start and end to the season with Diggs’ work in the middle portion of the season after he was activated, a single good WR between the two of them. Not great resources, but ones that would have allowed Turner to vary his play calling to some degree.

      • cka2nd

        I wouldn’t quite put it this strongly – “Keenum…is easily the worst of the three QB’s we have as free agents” – but otherwise, I think you’re basically spot on down the line.

    • linus

      Keenum has the lowest floor because he’s healthy, but he most certainly does NOT have the highest upside. Do you even know the meaning of the term? Even Sloter probably has more upside than Keenum… and the only “MVP numbers” that Keenum put up was in ESPN’s completely BS Total QBR, which (for example) ranked the Lions’ Dan Orlovsky higher than Ben Roethlisberger in 2008. That was the year the Lions went 0-16 while the Steelers won the Super Bowl, and there are dozens more examples of that kind of lunacy..

      • Brant

        Yes I know the meaning of the term “upside.” An example would be, taking your team to within one game of the Super Bowl, and probably having the greatest TD pass in Viking history to make it to the NFC Championship – when you didn’t even get to have a pre-season with said team; pretty sure if you look “upside” up in the dictionary, you’ll get the same example. Speaking of which, do you know what “floor” means? Haha. I think you meant highest floor (because he’s healthy). Loswest floor would be an injury prone asset. More looney credentials for you regarding Keenum: He won his H.S. State Championship in Texas. He also holds the NCAA division-1 record for passing yardage. He’s also the same age Kurt Warner was when he got the chance to start for the Rams. But please, tell me more about Dan Orvslosky.

        • linus

          Yep… you’re right, I meant “highest floor.” My bad, Nevertheless, it’s quite obvious that you don’t know the meaning of the word “upside.” Let me explain… If two players that you are comparing reach their full potential, the one with the “higher upside” will be the better of the two, and there is really no question that Sloter, with his size, arm-strength, and athleticism (HELLO!!!… he was a WR for most of his college career!!!) reaches his full potential, he’d be better than Keenum ever could be.

    • Rod Morgan

      1. the Vikings clearly have a better WR corps than, Oakland, TB, Seat., LAC..the only tam on your list close the the Vikings is ATL and that is due to one player. 2. Keenum was not putting up MVP numbers, he was being protected by his team..I forget the actual numbers but Im pretty sure he was in the bottom 5 QB’s in the NFL in 3rd and more than 7. 3. why do you think he didn’t have a preseason?? he played in 3 preseason games. your cold hard facts are anything but factual.

      • Dylan Tyler

        False. Mohamed Sanu is a better receiver than Diggs or Thielen and he’s ATL’s number two. Amari Cooper and Crabtree are also arguably better and TB has Mike Evans and Desean Jackson. What are you talking about? Also, Keenum was not bottom 5 in any stat and his stats from this year blow Teddy’s out of the water. Teddy had Adrian Peterson and the same defense. Only reason he made the playoffs. Peterson led the league in rushing that year. Sorry. Bridgewater is done

        • Thelogicalfan

          You could argue that those receivers are better but you’d be fighting an uphill battle. And Teddy had AP along with Norv who would non stop try to run it when it wasn’t working. Can’t have Teddy make great completions when isn’t allowed to throw the ball. Not to mention you are comparing a guy who has been in the league 4 years longer on 1 year of production. You want stats, look at how many more 1 hit wonders their are then people who just “figure it out” and start playing well after that long. Oh and Teddy did not have the same defense. He had some of them as rookies or year 2 players who were already calling them busts, and some aging vets. Sorry but your assessment is complete trash.

        • badzeitgeist

          Are you two having a contest to see who can most overstate your case? Keenum *was* putting up MVP numbers — the only stat he was low in was 3rd and >7; cherry picking that one stat and ignoring a dozen where he was near the top doesn’t help your argument in part because if you slice stats thin enough and enough ways, everyone has a bad one, and there is a sample issue because we were in 3 and >7 less than most teams. Look at aggregating stats like QBR, and Keenum had a total season rating higher than Brady.

          On the other hand, there is no way on earth Sanu is better than Diggs and Theilen. The defense Teddy did not rank nearly as high as this one, And there is no reason or evidence that Teddy is done, although no one will really know until the first time he is in a real game in a crowd and gets his leg rolled up on by a 300 lb DT.

          • linus

            Yards per attempt: 12th, TD percentage: 12th, INT percentage: 6th, passer rating: 7th… sorry, those aren’t MVP numbers.

        • GlobeTrotter

          Err Sanu is not even in the same ballpark as Diggs and Thielen. Cooper and Crabtree? LOL they are garbage. Cooper drops every other pass thrown to him. Now you are being stupid. The top two WR tandems in the league are in Pittsburgh and Minnesota. With that said, Teddy over Keenum with that tandam of Diggs and Thielen with a good Oline that he never has ever had in Minnesota.

  • zakmatt

    Teddy has no arm when compared to NFL caliber QBs. His first throw after returning was a soft up the middle interception…..he’s done!

    • linus

      Did you even watch the play?! McKinnon let it bounce right off his hands.

      • Dylan Tyler

        It was way too high. Awful pass. I wouldn’t start Teddy over Keenum. Keenum has better numbers from last year than Teddy does in his career. No thanks. Bridgewater is a back-up at best. Minnesota will win 7 games next year if they start him

        • Uh it’s me

          They would win way more than just seven games with teddy starting you fucking useless idiot

          • Drediock

            And there is no way you can rationally come to that conclusion based on any kid of fact available.
            Teddy wasnt asked to do much. He was pretty good at short throws. but the further away the receiver got. the less accurate Teddy got. He had a habit of not seeing open receivers down the field and was wildly inaccurate the times he did try and throw the long ball usually over and under throwing his receivers.
            The most common pass intercepted?
            Over and under thrown balls.
            For all the complaints of Keenums passes being intercepted
            Keenums INT % in 2017 his only full year playing 1.5%
            Teddy in his full year 2015 2.0%
            Oh and in touchdowns
            Keenum Touchdown percentage 2017 4.6%
            Teddy Touchdown percentage 2015 3.1
            Keenum completion percentage 2017 67.6%
            Teddy completion percentage 2015 65.3%
            Tewddy may not hav had a great line. but he did have a better back then the Vikes had and he did NOT have bad receivers.
            Diggs was ther and he had Mike Wallace.
            Before you say Wallace wasnt any good consider this. With Teddy as QB Wallace had almost half as many receptions for half as many yards then at any other point in his career. in some cases MUCH less then half
            2014 while playing for a pathetic 8-8 dolphin team he had 67 receptions for 862 yards
            2015 with Teddy throwing to him he had 39 receptions for 473 yards.
            2016 with a Baltimore his numbers jumped back up 72 receptions for 1017 yards.
            Interesting to note also that with Teddy throwing to him was the only time in his career he failed to reach at least 700 yards receiving.

            Like I said. there is no way you can rationally come to the conclusion that the Vikes would win more with Teddy then Keenum

          • Chad Thostenson

            so, you take johnson and wallace 2015 as your 1-2 over thielen and diggs 2017? also, why don’t you compare teddy to keenum at the same age, oh wait, you can’t because keenum didn’t reach the league until 24. remember teddy was a 21 year old rookie.

            heres some stats you didn’t make note of
            teddy 29 career games, 83 career sacks
            case 41 career games, 71 career sacks
            teddy 7.2 yards per attempt in 2015
            case 7.4 yards per attempt in 2017(with much better team)

            TD percentages don’t mean shit, bc the run/pass ratio in the redzone between the 2 teams was in stark contrast.

            completion percentage doesn’t say much given the type of offense they ran and o-line.

            most importantly, when comparing a player in his age 29 season to a player in his age 22 season and thats the key stats you point out and the separation is that little. not even taking into account the major difference in teams they played for. the 29 year old is still the loser. with that logic i can name 50 or more QB’s better than tom brady and drew brees.

          • Drediock

            you either are. or are on dope. One or the other. You choose. Or keep it to yourself. Doesnt matter
            You actualy make my point in sacks.
            Despite having played 12 more games. Keenum still has taken 12 less sacks.
            TD% might not mean much because of the type of offenses run or type of offense

            But completion percentage absolutely is relevant regardless of line play or type of offense.
            and this years offensive line while good. Was far from stellar.
            Age is meaningless because as you put you dont take into account the teams Case played on either. Or the coaching he had.
            Teddy at least had good coaching. Case until this year never did

            Look at Goff and keenum. with the Rams. Both were looked at as busts in spite of talent level around them. Yet once each got good coaching. Both flourished. one was 29 the other is in his second year

            And who the hell is Johnson?

          • Ryan Anderson

            Teddy had Norv Turner as a coach. In what way was that good coaching? Turner was complete garbage!

          • Drediock

            Garbage that won a couple Superbowls.
            Norv is fine as a coach. the problem is they didnt surround him with the type of players on the O line he needed to run his system concentrating primarily on defence.
            I cant put it all on Norv

          • Ryan Anderson

            He had 4 hall of famers on those offenses when he won the super bowl and 2 more guys that have been nominated. Any idiot could’ve won with that team.

          • GlobeTrotter

            Yes you can, you do not run an offense your way if you do not have the personnel to do it. He should have adjusted the offense to his players. Your point actually works against you, since Bridgewater had to pass in offense that did not work with the personnel the Vikings had. The good thing is we have Defilippo who was QB coach for an offense that worked to the strengths of the personnel.

          • Brant

            Foles was with the Rams, also. Worth noting!

          • Gordon Guffey

            Drediock I’m starting to thing this is Coller and JuggHead dragging this out to a bare knuckle slobber knocker ~ LOL

            Or maybe its Teddy on here ready what we fans think ~ ??? What ever the reason you cant post enough info for some players fans to rap their heads around ~

          • Drediock

            It amuses me when I post actual data and links to actual data and my opponent posts nothing but opinion. then accuses me of cherry picking.
            Its a microcosm of one of the things wrong with the world today.
            People hate truth and facts unless they say what they want them to.
            I base my opinions 98% on facts and logic and mayyybe 2% on personal likes/dislikes
            Attacking me on my analysis is like shooting your doctor because you dont like when he tells you that you have cancer.

          • Gordon Guffey

            I couldn’t agree more ~ !!!!!!

          • Drediock

            Jophnsons wasnt a main player in 2015
            The main receivers were Diggs. We all know how much he sucks right?
            Wallace. who never had a worse season before or since then when he had Teddy throwing to him
            and Wright (whom we still have and use)
            Rudolph
            McKinnon
            Those were the primary receivers in 2015. You know. the low quality receivers we were discussing

          • Ryan Anderson

            Diggs was a rookie that didn’t play the first 3 games. He was nowhere close to what he is now.

          • Drediock

            Im not sure he’s had a season he didnt miss 3 games. Wait.. I just looked it up. He did have one year that he didnt miss 3. this one. He only missed 2 games
            Far as being what he is now
            Might want to look for yourself. Diggs has always been great. The only thing he’s done dramatically different then his first two years is in the number of TD catches. But as someone else pointed out. TD stats dont mean a terrible lot. The rest shows he was pretty much as great his first season as his last one
            http://www.nfl.com/player/stefondiggs/2552608/profile

          • Gordon Guffey

            Wallace was much better they year before and the year after he played with Teddy ~ He has posted close to a 1000 or over yards season in both of those years ~

          • Chad Thostenson

            when teddy bridgewater won 11 games and the division with AROD still in it, everyone said it was the vikings defense and jordy nelson being injured. defense was ranked 11th

            when case keenum wins 11 1/2 games and wins division with AROD only playing 5 games, nobody says it was the defense and AROD being injured. defense was ranked 1st.

            to all pro case fans, YOU’RE THE FUCKING HATERS!!

          • Drediock

            Defense was ranked not 11th but 12th… in yards allowed.
            In the more meaningful and important stat of points allowed. the Vikings D ranked 5th
            THAT makes them a top defense.
            Arod doesnt have a damn thing to do with anything.
            Im not a hater. I prefer dealing with facts over the fantasy of what “might” be

          • Chad Thostenson

            ok? so that means they were better than 2017 defense how? and you say the word facts, and actually provide none. comp% and td%, not real telling stats. proof requires that all variables be tested. well, the science version of proof anyway. which means, you have to take into account every variable. and that includes the offense around the QB’s, the OC, run/pass ratio of the offensive play style, dropped passes, qb pressure, indoor/outdoor, defense, throw aways, defenses played. Case has the advantage in almost every variable that favors QB production. so when you break it down to just completion percentage and TD percentage…. thems aren’t facts, they’re meaningless stats, that are results of much more than the quality of a QB.

          • Drediock

            I’ve provided plenty of facts.
            I never said they were a better defense then the 2017 team. Just that they were a top defense then too.
            But maybe it had something to do with the weaker schedule in 2015 that Teddy did so well also.

          • Chad Thostenson

            weaker schedule, maybe. tougher defenses goes to the 2015 team, they played the top 3 defenses that year. and the point i was making about the defense, was that people said it carried teddy, but somehow nobody says that about case this year with a better D.

          • Chad Thostenson

            and a better defense didn’t take them the following year with a better QB?

          • Chad Thostenson

            and no you haven’t provided relative facts to a QB’s quality. the stats may be facts, but they don’t prove the point.

          • Drediock

            I’d agree and always say stats dont always tell the whole story.
            Keenum for example is actually responsible for at least 2 less interceptions then he is credited for. (both were due to Treadwells mis plays of balls that hit him in the hands)
            However
            I’ve provided more to make my point then you have to make yours including receivers who played better under worse teams then they did with Teddy throwing to them.
            You throw out A rod like that means something.
            Well Teddy..or I should say that Vikings teams didnt play that year against Brees or Roethlisberger either

          • Terry Jeacock

            As Zimmer said, the only QB statistic that counts is in the win column. Sure, Keenum had a fantastic year, but I agree that the players around him were much better than Bridgewater has ever had. Even Bradford had a much worse OL last year than Keenum had this year.

          • Drediock

            They prove my point better then you have proven yours. I havent seen ay real proof from you in the way of meaningful data
            Oh and I didnt include Johson (I almost forgot him) as he wasnt much more then a bit player in 2015 with 9 receptions. That didnt exactly make him a main contributor
            Jarius Wright was there however, As was Diggs, and Wallace. And I also didnt include and Theilen. Patterson. And Patterson. welll…it seems nobody has been able to do anything with him. And Theilen was just breaking in

          • Gordon Guffey

            You mean fact the way you want to hear them ~ LOL

          • Ryan Anderson

            Teddy played every home game outside. How do you think Case would’ve done outside? Based on the GB and Philly games, I’d say he would’ve been a disaster.

          • Gordon Guffey

            Come on Teddy Only Fan Club ~ Keep ot coming ~ We Team Fans knew you were hiding once you saw Coller and Judd were wrong about Teddy taking the starting job from Case by the Redskins game ~

            Now that the season is over you come pointing your fingers ~ And about what ~ 9 snaps ~ Really ~ Really ~ Go back to hiding case Free Agency is just around the corner ~ You might get snake bit once again for following Judd and Coller believing every word they say because they say what you want to hear even though they have proven to be wrong far more than they were right when it comes to you Players Fans ~

          • Chad Thostenson

            are you going to tell me you prefer cj and wallace over thielen and diggs yet? avoiding that one i see. maybe you would prefer we go back to khalil and clemmings as OT’s. just those 4 positions make the difference between the 2 in the stats you posted.

          • Gordon Guffey

            Your funny ~ Smiley Face 🙂

          • Ryan Anderson

            How does the best qb in the league missing most of the season not matter?

          • GlobeTrotter

            I don’t know if those are facts. You would have to compare stats with the same team, the same opponents, same offense etc. But what it really comes down to is, is Keenum worth the risk to the Salary cap or is it better to keep Bridgewater and his potential or injury risk at a lower cost? It really is not about who is better because that argument is subjective, not factual. In my opinion, Bridgwater is better at $10 million a year than Keenum is at $25 million a year. Again, I’d take Bridgewater by a mile so that we can sign Diggs, Kendricks, Hunter and some free agents.

          • Drediock

            Least you are making a rational argument.
            I know and usually preach that stats dont always tell the whole story.

            But there is enough there to at least draw some comparisons.
            This years line from the info i have been able to get is actually not as good as the one in 15. (scroll down and see post below)
            This year the vikes did play one more team with a winning record then in 15. Only one of those winning teams didnt make the playoffs.
            While the scheme was different Most of today’s receivers were also there in 15
            I could go on but to address the rest of your post yo are correct. Most of these arguments about any of the QBs are subjective certainly none listed to date is a sure fire cant miss messiah of a QB. they all come with risks.
            I think you can keep both Keenum and Teddy. though personally Id rather have Keenum and Bradford even though to look at Bradford his facial expressions remind me of a prey species LOL.

            Keenum isnt that much of a risk to the salary cap. Certainly not as much as Cousins.
            but im guessing by your omission of him that you like me simply feel Cousins is going to be too expensive and the cost will be too detrimental to maintaining the quality and increasing The depth of the rest of the team . We can have Cousins. But other areas of the team will have to suffer because of it

            Keenum even if Franchised will almost certainly cost at least $10 mill less then Cousins.
            that savings alone can buy you more quality O line depth. And if you Franchise him You are only obligated to him for one year whereas any other QB you sign you are likely to be stuck with for better or worse for several.
            Key to Teddy as I’ve been hearing talk radio mention. is will his contract Toll?
            If so then the decision seems to be pretty simple. You franchise Keenum and hold onto Teddy and let them both compete for the starting job.
            From a fiance stand point this makes sense.

            I dont agree that i’d rather have Teddy over Keenum for reasons i mentioned many times already. He’s still an unproven. Particularly with the deep ball. And of course the obvious knee.
            If you do Keep Teddy as the starter however from the get. you better make damn sure he has a competent and proved he can stay healthy back up.
            Same thing goes if you have Bradford as your starter

            I just dont trust bad knees.

            The way I see it is if you start Keenum. and he doesnt work. you can always switch to Teddy. But if you choose Teddy and he doesn’t work out…..Well then what?

            Far as quality of QB is concerned with all those being mentioned. and money concerns were taken out of the debate. Teddy. Kirk, Case,Bradford. From a pure ability to play stand point If each played up to their potential and didnt get hurt. despite my arguments I could be content with any of them. ALL of them come with “ifs”
            One thing is for sure. a year form now no matter who it is. There are going to be some “I told ya so’s” LOL

            Now watch us all get thrown for a loop and they pick none of the above.

          • Gordon Guffey

            You are dealing with Player fans here Drediock ~ There is no changing their minds ~ They could care less if the Vikings won another game just as long as their favorite player got to start ~ And if he didn’t play well they would blame the rest of the team ~

            This is a fact ~ And sometimes I believe they are Judd or Coller just trying to keep normal people replying to their stories ~ LOL let the fun begin with the {{{{ Teddy Only Fan Club }}}}}~ I’m so looking forward to them as they come crawling out from under the rocks after the season ended for them when Teddy wasn’t starting by the Redskins game like Judd and Coller said he would and then they got shot in the leg again when Sam was made active for the playoffs while their boy Teddy was inactive for both playoff games ~

            No one knows for a fact what they Viking will do at QB ~ But Mr Drediock and others have laid the fact in front of you Teddy Only fans ~ And sometime I hijack his and others posts because I know the work they point into making sure they are right before opening their mouths ~ My bad Mr Drediock ~

          • GlobeTrotter

            I’d be happy with Keenum franchised and Teddy on a short term contract. Lets wait and see…

          • Gordon Guffey

            Teddy didn’t win 11 games just as Case didn’t win 14 games ~ When are you Teddy fans going to learn that ~ Just like this past season it was a team effort ~ You and others need to stop taking credit away from the rest of the team ~ Learn what your talking about ~

          • Chad Thostenson

            also, i want to shutdown this notion that AP helps a QB’s play. there is no such evidence that supports that, not even this other notion that he helps the PA game. one, there is a reason he’s not on the field on third down. two, the play action really only works on 1st or 2nd down after a few good run plays. but that 2015 team refused to do anything but run on 1st and 2nd down, while making them predictable, they also happen to be the easiest downs to pass on. not understanding everything i’ve been laying down, and reverting to stats that you read at the end of the game, kinda points to you not actually watching the game, and not understanding general principles of the flow of an NFL game.

          • Gordon Guffey

            Your wrong about AP not helping QB’s ~ I’m as right about this as you are wrong or wrong as you are right ~

            Thing is you have no facts to back this kind of thinking up ~ He was thought highly enough of that the Saints signed him to help Brees out ~ That ended just as soon as they found they couldn’t make a pass blocker out of him ~ But they signed him as a RB and before their rookie with off the field problems fell to them in the 3rd round ~

            So many things to point to ~ Did I ask where you were when Sam played behind a worse OL ~ ??? Or are you just a Teddy fan and not a team fan ~ ???

          • Ryan Anderson

            He was inaccurate because he never had time to throw the ball. Nobody would’ve been accurate with the time he was given. And he was only in his second year in the NFL.

          • Gordon Guffey

            Didn’t see you coming to Bradfords add in 2016 when he played behind a worse OL and only had Diggs at WR ~ Where were you ~ ????

          • Ryan Anderson

            I didn’t know you kept a list of people supporting Bradford in 2016. I’d absolutely keep Bradford over Keenum. If Bradford could stay healthy, I’d be all for keeping him.

          • Gordon Guffey

            No list ~ Just messing with ya ~ But not everyone came to Bradford aid when he was getting pounded to the ground every time he dropped back because he was playing behind a OL of backups but some are so quick to come to Teddy’s aid even though some of it was because he was holding the ball too long ~ Then they blame the OL ~ Teddy is a young QB and its part of growing into an NFL QB ~ However it wasn’t all o the OL ~ Teddy had his fair share in a lot of those sacks ~

          • Ryan Anderson

            Absolutely. Teddy wasn’t perfect that year by any means. I think Sam had a better line to start the year but like you said, they were throwing 3rd stringers out there in the end. Sam had that team rolling those first 5 games. I’m one that liked trading for him because that team did have a chance to be something. Without those injuries it was a playoff team for sure.

          • Llaarryy

            The problem with your rationale is that Teddy’s OC and OL were incompetent compared to Case’s.

            Also, Case had multiple years and teams to look mediocre for. A true rationale would include the entire body of his pro work, not just one Cinderella season.

            If a Cinderella season matters that much, then Daunte should go to the HOF. It doesn’t, that’s why he’ll never get there.

          • Drediock

            By your rational. If you’re a Teddy fan. Then Teddys playoff season must have been Cinderella also.
            You know. Since he had crappy incompetent coaches and all’
            Had to be the glass slippers he was wearing

            The O Line in 2017 was better then LAST years 29th ranked line by a long shot. But it wasnt terribly better then in 2015 when it was ranked 14th
            https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-offensive-lines-this-season
            Actually the most recent O line ranking I could find for the 2017 season was week 5. They were ranked 20th
            https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-by-average-grade-week-5
            Course the poor blocking was probably Case’s fault right?

            Case had Crappy incompetent coaches in both Houston and LA till he came ot Minnesota
            In Houston he had both crappy coaching and little talent to work with. In LA he had talent but crappy coaching.
            Maybe last season means something. Maybe it doesnt. If something has been done once it can be repeated. but the fact remains. but Case and Geoff were considered terrible last year even though they had talent around them.
            this year both had Talent around them AND competent coaching. Both won their divisions and performed much better. In the case of Keenum (no pun intended) PFF s final grading had Keenum ranked 9th. Thats top ten (its also higher then they have Cousins 20th ranking) and went on to say
            “Keenum’s incredible run this season with the Vikings extended all the
            way into the red zone this season. He threw the highest percentage of
            catchable passes of any starter in that area (76.9 percent) and didn’t
            have a single turnover-worthy throw. That’s more than just game
            managing.”

            Tops in the red zone. Thats about the hardest place to throw the ball because the defense doesnt have as much field to defend
            Also a lot of folks complained about poor passes. Well they would be wrong too as he ranked 3rd in turnover worthy throws
            and 8th vs pressure. Though he did only rank a middle of the pack 15th in deep throws However. other then that the only areas where he didnt rank in the top 3rd was “Big time throws” and “Time to throw”
            Thats more then just Cinderella

          • Llaarryy

            Clearly you’re going to cherry pick whatever you want, so I’m going to keep this as simple for you as I can.

            Teddy never has a Cinderella season in his five years as a pro. In his six years as a pro, Case has had one.

            Anyone who thought Case in his first five years was more likely than Teddy after his five to breakout and have a Cinderella season is a liar, pure and simple. It follows that has Teddy been healthy and walked into the situation that Case did in his sixth year, he could have had a chance to be the Cinderella.

            Furthermore, anyone who puts all their chips behind Case now, after one Cinderella season out of six, is about as smart as people who put all their chips behind Osweiler after his Cinderella season his fourth year as a pro.

            Go ahead, keep cherry picking why you sprung for the overpriced first class ticket on the Case Express. No skin off my nose, just like the Fanatics over other one year wonders did not affect me.

            I’d love for Case to thrive in a Viking uni. But it’s a simple reality he could easily end up being a one year Cinderella Man.

            No reason why Teddy can’t have his Cinderella seasons, either. And he’s going to be a lot cheaper in 2018.

          • Drediock

            You argue with nothing more then opinion
            I provide data from respected source’s. And I’m the one cherry picking??
            You are the delusional one.

          • Gordon Guffey

            Some people are just born to be follower ~ They are Player Fans and not Team fans Mr. Drediock ~ Llaarryy is clearly a players fan ~ There is no fixing him ~

          • Gordon Guffey

            You are silly Sir ~ Please keep the laughs coming ~

          • Uh it’s me

            Also yes people come up with rational predictions like this all the time.

          • Gordon Guffey

            Wow do you kiss you mom with that mouth ~ ???

        • J

          Bridgewater had the team 11 and 5 in 2015 with a very porous offensive line. Who makes good progressions. If his knee is okay he will be better than case

          • You also forgot to mention, Case had a more developed team (OLine, WR and Defense) and Case had Pat Shurmur not an old fashioned OC like Norv Turner calling his plays. And Teddy only had two less wins, what would he have with DeFilippo calling his plays?

          • Drediock

            There was nothing wrong with the receivers Teddy had.
            See my post below for actual numbers
            and in 2015 the Vikes still had a top 10 defense

          • Gordon Guffey

            WR’s ~ He had one who averages close to 1000 yards a season that didn’t even gain 500 yards with Teddy at QB ~ His name was Mike Wallace ~ He cost the Vikings a 3rd rounder ~ Wallace had almost a 1000 yards with the Fins and their mess at QB the year before he came to the Vikings and pasted a 1000+ the following season with the Ravens ~

          • Drediock

            Teddy , while accurate and solid at short and intermediate throws, However Over all was ranked in the bottom half of QB rankings (some had him ranked as low as 23rd) and in the bottom half deep throws. PFF had him ranked as 16th in Big Time Throws
            They went 11-5 because of the Defense coming up big in big moments and Peterson was on his game.
            His accuracy on deep passes was terrible and he doesn’t have that strong an arm to begin with.
            Everything about Teddy was “IF he cold take the next step” It looked in preseason like he might be headed that way before he got hurt. and now he has been out of football for two full seasons we dont know if he will be as good as even his rookie season let alone 2015 or if his knee will be able to take the pounding it is sure to get.

          • Ron poo

            He also had Adrian Peterson who commands 8 in the box. Keenum didn’t have that! Teddy would’ve had 30 picks this season.

          • Chad Thostenson

            he also can’t run out of shotgun, like every back in the league. defenses weren’t putting 8 in the box in 2015, they were getting to him behind the line with a 4 man rush where he couldn’t break a tackle. peterson is QB poison and its why teddy did better without him as a rookie, saints dumped him and he played good for a couple games this year. he hogged the ball in 2015 and led the league in attempts and negative rushes, a long garbage TD against oakland in the final 2 minutes bloated his stats to look like it wasn’t all volume, but it was. he was so garbage that year.

          • Drediock

            To be fair. It isnt that AP couldnt run out of the shotgun. It was more like everything else AP didnt do to make himself more valuable to the team. He didnt think he should have to learn how. So he didnt bother to learn how.
            It isnt that he couldnt. It was just that he suffered form that old disease the natives used to call
            “lackawanna”

          • Gordon Guffey

            They didn’t get to him behind the LOS to keep him from gaining close to 1500 yards ~

          • Chad Thostenson

            30 picks? like he did his “rookie of the year” year without the child beater or anybody else.

          • TBIloveyou2018

            I tried that one already, they don’t seem to think that played any role in helping TB’s meager production that year.

          • Gordon Guffey

            I would like to add that AP not only commands 8 men in the box but also sometimes 9 men in the box ~

          • Drediock

            and a weaker opponent schedule

          • James Edelman

            “If” is the word that makes all the difference. Maybe Bridgewater’s knee will be OK, maybe not. Too much of a gamble. The management will not take that gamble. Mark my words.

          • Gordon Guffey

            Oh here we gfo with the OL again ~ I didn’t here you people last year coming to Sam’s add playing behind a even worse OL ~

        • GlobeTrotter

          I beg to differ. Bridgewater is a winner and he took an average team with a very bad O-line to the playoffs and to a kick to the next round. Keenum is just an average QB on a great team! Imagine Bridgewater on this team. Bridgewater has more potential and has the mentality to not choke when his team isn’t playing well (like Keenum did at Philly). I’d take Bridgewater by a mile.

          • Wrex1 Kettles

            Finally some 1 with a brain. Keenum is a 1 yr wonder. And if it wasn’t for a improved oline and dope receiving corps and decent backs he wouldn’t have done shit. Tho I do love the way Keenum moves in and out of the pocket.

          • TBIloveyou2018

            Yes a brain that says the 22nd ranked QB took an average team to the play-offs. Do we need to enlighten you on TBs stats that year. But yes I know, I know.. the O-line… All abbooOORRD the Teddy excuse train.

          • Joker99

            You spelled aboard wrong, just thought I’d point that out..Sorry please go on..

          • Gordon Guffey

            Thanks for the laugh ~ I speel wrong a lot ~ Sometimes just to see itfpeople catch it other time its not ~ I’m a dummy behind the keyboard ~ Old dummy too ~ Long before keyboards were the thing ~ Back in the day of typewriters when you had to take some kind of office class to get to use one ~ Man where those the days ~ Ever seen the movie Dazed And Confused ~ Yeah that would have been my senior year ~ Take out the red necks with the paddles ~ That kind of sh!t might have played out on good old Cal. but here in NC someone would have got their ass kicked by more than a hand full of parents ~ That sh!t would have played out one night ~ But the kids here knew that and I’m guessing its why it never happened ~ Now the Moon tower ~ Yeah thats the way thing would have when down and did ~ LOL

          • Gordon Guffey

            And we know this how ~ ??? I’m asking because I dont have a clue about how Case will play next year ~ ???

          • Ron poo

            You forgot one thing! NON CONTACT KNEE INJURY!!! Teddy’s a puss with a bad throwing style. He had 14 tds on an 11-5 season! That’s garbage!

          • Terry Jeacock

            Oh grow up. The way Bridgewater fought through the injury and subsequent recovery demonstrates just how much of a strong character he really is. He was also ill suited to Norv Turner’s offense – just as Bradford was and Keenum would have been. The offense was more QB friendly under Shurmer, and that should continue under Defilippo.

          • James Edelman

            They hired DiFillippo to work with Keenum. Continuity you know. Take it to the bank.

          • Gordon Guffey

            NO You grow up ~ LMAO ~ Some people will say anything when their mad ~ LOL ~ And you know all this how ~ Have you been in the meeting room or know someone who has been ~ Not likely and 99.8% sure you know no one at all in the Vikings meeting room ~ But thanks for the laugh ~ !!!!!

          • Todd Monroe

            He only had 14 tds because they had PETERSON. He would have had more than 22 playing in this system as compared to Norvs.

          • Gordon Guffey

            The thing people forget about when the b!tch about AP ~ He was pulling 8 and 9 men in the box when he was on the field ~ That meant there was a lot of man coverage that Teddy didn’t take advantage of ~

            If I had to blame someone I would blame Norv and Scott Turner for bad offensive design ~

          • GlobeTrotter

            Umm look at the stats. Teddy was asked to throw in the redzone ONLY 6 times that year and he threw 5 TDs. Again, you need to to see the whole picture.

          • James Edelman

            Keenum will sign with the Vikings for less money to be the starting qB. He wants to stay and is not primarily after the biggest dollars he might command. He wants to stay with this good team that will be even better in 2018 with Cook back healthy and an OL that gets strengthened big time during the offseason.

          • Llaarryy

            While I’m not a huge Case fan, I’d love for you to be right. He’s the best “bird in the hand” option at QB for 2018. I like Teddy better in the long term, but his career would be better served letting his knee heal another year.

          • Gordon Guffey

            I see the whole picture ~ Its tied to Teddy’s healthy ~ Not what Teddy once was but what he is today ~ I totally agree about 15 being a good number for Case ~ Hopefully they will get both resigned if they cant find someone better and then let them fight it out for the starting job ~

          • Llaarryy

            Don’t forget the turnstile OL.

          • Gordon Guffey

            The one that helped AP gain nearly 1500 yards ~ Nope i didn’t forget that OL ~ Smiley Face 🙂

          • Llaarryy

            The one that got Teddy sacked 8.9% and 9.0% of the time, among the highest in the NFL.

            Compared to the one that allowed Case to be sacked 4.4% of the time.

            Anyone who actually saw football games could see that difference.

            Or are you confused about what a QB and RB are? You do know that AD was a RB, right?

          • Gordon Guffey

            Teddy did his part also by holding the ball to long ~ Not uncommon for young QB’s ~ So its not fair to blame the OL for some of Teddy’s short comings ~

          • Gordon Guffey

            Case saved a lot of the could have been sacked by moving around in the pocket~climbing up in the pocket or rolling out ~

          • Todd Monroe

            Not bitching about AP, he was the best RB in the league. Yes he did draw 8, 9 men in the box and Teddy could have taken advantage of it but with it just being his second year I doubt if he had the luxury of calling many audibles at the line as a veteran is granted. They had AP and they used him. Never opened it up for him like they did this year for Keenum. All I’m saying is Teddy deserves a shot and it’s much more likely that he continues to get better and better and for me Keenums past doesn’t suggest that this level of play will continue. Thank God the Vikings had him while he was playing at that caliber. I like Keenum but still feel Bridgewater has a higher threshold as long as the knee holds up. It’s a risk but in everything they do there’s risk. Just my opinion.

          • Gordon Guffey

            I totally agree ~ No one was able to call audibles with Norv being the OC ~ its one of the nice things about Norv getting mad and taking his ball and going home for good ~ Teddy does deserves a shot if healthy at competing for the starting job ~ And not against some so~so backup either ~ They will need to add someone if they dont tag Case with either the T~Tag or the F~Tag ~ I’m not sure how you know Keenums past doesn’t suggest that his level of play will continue ~ The Vikings roster is full of such players like Griffin~Sendejo~Easton~Berger~Thielen ~ Heck even Rhodes was viewed as a bust by some 2 years ago and by many 4 years ago ~

          • James Edelman

            The Vikings will not keep Bridgewater. Sorry—he’s damaged goods and a huge risk to sign with what is more than likely a glass knee. They aren’t stupid. Business is business. Keenum is healthy and proven up to the minute. You have my condolences though.

          • Llaarryy

            Case had a great season, but I agree most people way overrate him. He’s our version of Jeff Garcia. In fact, if Garcia in his prime played behind the No. 1 D in the NFL, I could easily imagine him putting up bigger numbers than Case did.

        • linus

          Any time a receiver can get BOTH of his hands on a pass, he’s has to catch it.

          • Gordon Guffey

            Yeah I have to agree and it happened on a couple of Case’s INT’s also ~ Thats not the QB’s fault ~

      • Corn Bread

        He’s a Teddy troll, you can tell by the ignorant comment.

    • Wrex1 Kettles

      Yeah dude you are a dumb ass

      • Ron poo

        There’s only one thing to say! Devastating NON CONTACT knee injury. Teddy’s a puss!!

        • Chad Thostenson

          you’re a cunt.. so is your mom and grandma

    • TBIloveyou2018

      I agree 100% on the arm strength bit, but we really can’t hold that one play against him during the Bengals game.

  • Rod Morgan

    the fear I would have is what if Keenum immediately signs his tag? then you are stuck with him at ~24M.. Im quite sure the Zimmer and RS (unlike many fans) aren’t dumb enough to want Keenum as the franchise QB. If they could pull off a franchise tender and a trade that would be great..but do not risk having to pay your third best QB 24M.

    • Dylan Tyler

      Keenum is easily better than Bridgewater. Keenum’s numbers last year are better than Teddy’s CAREER numbers. Plus, he’s coming off a horrific injury. Bradford is way too injured so the whole “he’s great when he’s healthy” argument is a dumb one. He’s only played three full seasons in his eleven year career. You either get Cousins or keep Keenum. There is no other option unless Baker Mayfield inexplicably falls out of the first round.

      • Jeff Johnson

        Keenum’s career numbers going into last year were worse than Teddy’s career numbers. Teddy was forced to play in an offense that wasn’t designed to take advantage of his talents (thanks, Norv and Adrian), had a terrible offensive line, and bad receivers. Keenum stepped into a great situation (21st century offense, good coaching, good O-line, high end receivers) and had a great year. There’s no reason to think Teddy wouldn’t have had the same kind of success if he were put in that situation. Looking at Keenum’s career-best season and comparing that to Teddy’s first two years in the league is a lazy way of comparing them.

        • Drediock

          This was also the first time in Keenums career he had both good coaching and surrounding talent. Something of which he never had before. No talent or coaching in Houston and terrible coaching in LA
          Look at the Rams. 2 QBs with Keenum and Goff with some talent around them both considered busts lat year.
          This year when paired with quality coaches. ach led their team to the playoffs as division champs with double digit wins. and it can be argued Keenum didnt have the benefit of being the projected starter during pre season
          There was NOTHING wrong with Teddys receivers.
          Receiver starters were WR Diggs, WR Wallace (who had decent years every EXCEPT but for the one year with Teddy), WR Jarius Wright, Kyle Rudoph .

          • cka2nd

            The Vikings’ leading receivers in 2014 were Greg Jennings, Matt Asiata, Jarius Wright, Cordarelle Patterson, Charles Johnson, Jerick McKinnon, Kyle Rudolph (who missed eight games) and Chase Ford (Does ANYONE remember him?).

            In 2015, they were a rookie Stefon Diggs, a healthy Rudolph, Wallace, Wright, Adrian Peterson and McKinnon.

            That’s a mediocre receiving corps in both cases, and I say that as someone who thought Bridgewater’s progress in year two was not great.

          • Gordon Guffey

            Wallace is not nor was he ever mediocre outside of his year with Norv and Teddy ~ He has played very well to good far more than only one on that list year after year and that includes Diggs ~

      • cka2nd

        It’s not surprising that a quarterback was better in his sixth year than another one was in his first two seasons. Experience is kind of useful, you know?

        Bradford’s been in the league for eight years, not 11, and played 14 or more games in four of those eight seasons.

    • Drediock

      Franchise tag makes more sense then signing him to and committing the team to a multi year deal.

  • linus

    No way they can commit $24 million in cap space to Keenum, even temporarily, unless they’re comfortable with him being the starter next season, and if they are, then why would they trade him? The only way it would work is if they already had a trade lined up with another team before they tag him.

    • Scott

      Exactly… Keenum is $8-12 mil per year, 2 year deal. Teddy… $4-5 mil per year, 3 year deal at the most. And that’s if the front office/coaches think Teddy’s healed. It gives new OC time to correct Teddy’s side arm throwing motion. Anybody paying more than $15 mil per season to Keenum can have him.

      • Drediock

        I hear the actual value on Case is probably around $15-18 mil. Mayyybe $20 mil on othe open market because Teams are desperate for a QB. But thats only if you sign him to a multi year contract.
        So if you want to keep him around its either Franchise him for 1 year at the $22+ mill. or sign him for multiple years for …figure $17-18 mill.
        Thing is if you franchise him you only have to pay him the one year. If you sign him you are stuck for more money in the long term.
        Franchising him makes the most sense because onl have to worry about the cap hit for one year and its still below what Cousins will cost. And most dont think Cousins is even worth what he will get.
        The most common terms I hear with regards to Cousins is a a “very good QB. but not a great QB” In large part because he has a tendency to turn the ball over at critical moments while under pressure both from a pass rush standpoint and a mental one. Under pressure he has the habit of making the same bad decisions everyone gets frustrated at Case for making

  • Andre Esters

    Minnesota went from having 3 possible QB’s to now barely having Sloter… no doubt, keeping options open is the best way to go forward. Then again, teams like Washington, New England, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Philly, “business” shenanigans (good or bad) are kind of expected. One may get more credit for being smarter/dumber than the other, but the fact stands players and other teams have to have a clue who they’re dealing with.

    I’m not sure I want Minnesota being associated with such nonsense.

  • Rick Kirk

    Jan 14, 2018: Sam Bradford is suited up for the Minnesota Vikings as the backup to quarterback Case Keenum, with Teddy Bridgewater on the inactive list for the divisional round playoff game against New Orleans.

    Bridgewater is the trade bait. His legs are worse than Bradford’s. That is why they did what they did on Jan. 14, 2018.

    • cka2nd

      If Teddy’s leg is that bad, no one will trade for him. And there is clear historical precedence for Keenum being the trade bait.

      • Drediock

        The only ones who know how bad Teddys leg is are the Vikings. And they aint saying.
        You could read the inactive for the play offs several different ways. with each having an equal; probability of being correct

        • cka2nd

          A the moment that’s true, but any team considering trading for him will require their own exam before the trade is finalized.

  • Vikoments

    I would consider it if I had locked down guarantee that the trade would occur with Denver for a 2nd round pick plus a player. Otherwise I wouldn’t risk being stuck for 24 mil. Its too much. I’d rather test the market to see if there is a better deal and push forward with Teddy and Sloter till it looks advantageous otherwise. Teddy’s arem is stronger than Keenums but they both have accuracy issues, Keenum’s are worse. They balance out because with a shattered knee I can’t imagine Teddy moving in the pocket like case but I do think Teddy is the better QB.

  • Jeeves

    Sure glad we could have another Case vs Teddy fight…Cheese and Rice!

    • cka2nd

      I just skipped over it after I reached my limit of name-calling.

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      • Jeeves

        I wish this site handled these things as well as Daily Norseman does.

        “Again, we all know the rules, but in case someone is new:

        No discussion of politics or religion
        No feeding of the trolls
        This isn’t a male version of The View, so leave the gender hatred at the door
        Keep the bad language to a minimum (using the spoiler tags, if you must)
        Speaking of which, if discussing a newer show or movie, please use spoiler tags
        No pictures that could get someone fired or in serious trouble with their employer
        If you can’t disagree in a civil manner, feel free to go away
        While navigating the open thread, just assume it’s sarcasm.”

        • cka2nd

          “No discussion of politics or religion”

          Eeek! Do economics count? Taking a knee?

          DN has a rule against gender hatred? Good for them.

  • Pierre N

    Keep one of them around for another year. DeFilippo will have Sargent Sloter starting within a year or two.

    • cka2nd

      “Sargent Sloter,” huh. Chuckle.

      • Drediock

        Yanno it wouldnt surprise me If he turned out to be the long term solution. Gotta admit he certainly does have the perfect name for a great QB

      • Gordon Guffey

        “Sargent Sloter,” LMAO ~ Good one ~

        But it sure would be nice if DeFilippo had him playing winning football in the next two years ~ But I dont think it will happen ~ Its nice to daydream about every undrafted FA turned into Adam Thielen sometime ~ But we know the odd are against them the moment they are signed ~

  • Bob T.

    Sure, right and you betcha. McCloughlan does the same and the big trade BOOM !!!! Speilman owes him a steak and a bottle of Macallan

  • Trep

    Give me a “healthy” Teddy all day every day, and twice on Sunday over Keenum. For everyone out there who is saying Keenum “played at an MVP level” or “had better stats” just stop. Keenum played well for 4-5 weeks and then starting with the Carolina game, was average to below average after that. By then, it was too late to turn to Teddy and the coaching staff stuck with Keenum “rightfully so” because it wouldn’t have been wise to make a switch that late in the year, but I honestly believe Zim wanted to start Teddy beginning with the London game vs Cleveland but just didn’t pull the trigger for various reasons. However, Keenum had 22 TD’s and 7 INT’s this year in 15 games played, how exactly is that “MVP” type play or great? For all you stats guys, Those #’s are average at best and I can count at least 5-7 passes that didn’t get intercepted (3 in WAS game alone) that would have scarred those numbers significantly. Outside of competent play in the 1st half vs NO, and the 1st drive vs Philly, he was downright terrible in the playoffs. A lucky, amazing effort by Diggs saved us from 1st round departure and I think alot of people would be singing a different tune about Keenum if not for miracle. I like Keenum as a guy, but he’s not the answer. He did an admirable fill in job. Teddy B is a winner. He won in 2015, led the team to a division title, a should have won game vs SEA in the playoffs, and made play after play in the 4th Q of games when asked to do so. He is younger, has waaay more upside, his teammates love him because he’s a leader/winner. I believe the Vikings decision makers love him too and he will be back, leading this team next year. No doubt in my mind that “if healthy” and the Vikings team stays mostly in tact, he will undoubtedly trump the Keenum numbers by a landslide next year. For all you stats guys, the debate will be over after that. Rick Spielman should take a page out of Kevin Costner’s GM playbook in Draft Day, and stick a note in his pocket to remind himself, “Teddy Bridgewater, no matter what.”

    • Drediock

      If you check you will see that after about the 5th week was when we started having to start playing musical O lineman again. And it got worse as the season progressed. by the tine the championship game came around we had players out of position just to have the healthiest ones out there

    • Gordon Guffey

      Nope I’m not going to stop ~ LOL

  • David Prestin

    Transition tag only. Gives us chance to match any offers. Plus it’s a safety net incase we lose out on signing cousins or another qb free agent.

  • Tbone

    Spielman will certainly trade him (Keenum) for a song. When have the Vikings ever made a good move?

    They sign other teams runoffs and retirees; Cunningham, Favre, McNabb.. or the most recent foible they sign Bradford. Bradford sneezes and he’s injured. Did Spielman think coming to Minnesota would suddenly make Bradford more reliable?

    Bradford played 2 games in 2017, then he sat the bench. I’m sure it’s okay with him, he can check his bank account every day and play NIntedo all night. I’m sure it’s the life, but we all knew Bradford would be a bust.. the whole football world knew that.

    • cka2nd

      “When have the Vikings ever made a good move?”

      Trading for Jim Marshall, Bill Brown, Fred Cox, Gary Larsen and Paul Krause in the 1960’s. Trading Tarkenton away in 1967 and for him in 1972. Trading for John Gilliam in 1972 and Ahmad Rashad in 1976. Signing Leo Lewis (from the CFL?) in 1981. Trading for Gary Zimmerman and Anthony Carter in the 1980’s. Signing Cris Carter off of waivers in 1990, Jack Del Rio and David Dixon in 1992, Jeff Christy in 1993, Warren Moon and Robert Griffith in 1994. Signing Cunningham the first time (1998 All-Pro), if not the second. Trading for Jared Allen in 2008.

      Signing the following free agents since 2000: Pat Williams, Antoine Winfield, Ben Leber, Corey Chavous, Darren Sharper, Ryan Longwell, Visanthe Shiancoe, Captain Munnerlyn, Terence Newman, Tom Johnson, Joe Berger, Mike Remmers, Riley Reiff, Latavius Murray, Case Keenum and, oh, by the way, Adam Thielen.

      Favre had one of the best years of his career in 2009 and Bradford HAD the best year of his career in 2016. One took us to the conference championship game and the other gave us at least a shot at the playoffs after playing the entire season.

      Now, I can run down the bad moves since the 1960’s for you if you want – two names off the top of my head, George Shaw and Gary Cuozzo – but the Vikings are one of the Top 10 professional football franchises of the last 50 years. No team other than the Steelers has been as consistent a contender as the Vikings since the NFL-AFL merger in 1970, or has suffered through shorter playoff droughts. So be quiet and take some pride in your team.

  • Donald Smith

    How many years did it take case to play at this level? Teddy doesn’t have anywhere as many snaps so it’s comparing apples to oranges. You have to think teddy hasn’t had much chance to show his full potential. Most of all I think keenam is a system guy. If we had shurmur again I’d say go for keenam. I think in a different offense i.e. dephillipo, he won’t be as effective.

  • Gordon Guffey

    Come on Teddy Only Fan Club ~ We Team Fan knew you would come out pointing fingers just as soon as the offseason started now that Teddy doesn’t have to prove he can start for another 5 months ~ You Player Fans are so easy to see coming just like you were so fast to hid once you knew Teddy wasn’t able to take the starting job from Case ~

    Now you want to put the whole 2018 season on the back of someone who hasn’t played in 2 season just because he is YOUR BOY ~ Time to grow a set and become Team Fans ~ Fan who back the 22 best starters as well as the backup when they have to start even if Your Fav Player isn’t out there ~ Yeah we B!tch about things but we dont leave or hid when our guy is on IR or the backups need to be improved on ~ We hang out to the end ~ Something you guys cant say ~ Its sad too ~

    There is a good chance the coaches known something we fans dont ~ There is not many fans who care who is starting ((( outside of you fantasy football suckers LOL )))) just as long as they are doing their best because we know GM and coaches jobs are counting on them playing their best possible players ~ We understand the coaches see far more than we do or read about every week ~ Every week ~ All we fans really know outside of the stats is that Teddy didn’t take the job from Case and at no point was Case in any real danger of losing his job to Teddy because of a bad game no matter what Judd and Coller say ~ Zimmer made that clear after the playoff lose ~ He just got tired and beat-up from all the Teddy fans weekly and its the only reason he ever said anything about who his starting QB was ~ In fact Teddy couldn’t even hold off Sam who was made active just as soon and I do mean on the day he cleared the IR check list ~

    So I look forward to getting to know each and everyone of from The Teddy Only Fan Club now that your coming back around ~ And Yes I’m including you Judd and Coller ~ You two have been more fan than all of the other when you crashed and burned ~ You were still squirm in the playoffs games~ Come on guys lets get to know each other so I can point out the facts and why I have been turned off from Teddy and why I’m no longer a Teddy fan ~ Unlike you I’m OK if he proves he can start and play better than he did in 2015 because as you Teddy Only Fans have pointed out over and over he will have better talent to work with ~ I will be OK if they let him walk also because of his none contact injury ~ You see the Vikings dont own him anything ~ He got paid dang well to rehab ~ On the other hand belonging to a club could be fun ~ Kind of neat ~ I better stop or I might joint you just to have someone to hang out with only when there is nothing to prove ~ After thinking about it though I couldn’t do it ~ Your seasonal ~ And you try to make everything so personal ~ As if your very life is effected by who the Vikings start at QB in 2018 ~ I wonder how many of you leave if Teddy isn’t resigned ~





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